Vovchik, 8 aug 2003 5:07
Again, this time, in the RU and PL net I encountered conventional nonsense about Radiorama and could not stay within bounds. Unfortunately, on the internet, Radiorama’s biography has been translated and spread from some single incorrect source. All this is published as “supplemental information” on counterfeit CD’s, and the official sources (the SAIFAM site and his “off-springs”), not to raise unneeded talk about the project (the information about which had ever since been extremely confused), publish an extremely simplified biography, where a lot is not mentioned. As a result, the public is ignorant of the truth, although the “holes” in Radiorama’s biography are seen, one place or another. Vovchik, 8 aug 2003 5:08
Above all, it is stated that Radiorama had 2 periods and two sets of vocalists: 1. (1986 – 88) Mauro Farina + Simona Zanini, 2. (1989 - …) Antonella Ferri + Angel Morales. Surely, that is a complete crap. The single “Chance to Desire” was written by Martinelli-Zanini (by the way, they, not Farina and Crivellente, were the true authors of almost all the content of the first album!!) and sung by some Hank Schostak and Simona Zanini. He also performed the 4th song in the 1st album, “Wacha gonna do” (it is not clear why silence is kept on this)! By this Schostak I know the song, titled “Don’t tell me”, which suspiciously closely resembles … Zanetti in the vocal and manner of singing! Those who have it, listen carefully. A curious turn of events. Simona Zanini was a very active person in 1984 – 1985. She participated in the creation of a great deal of Italo disco killer hits, sang in almost all Aldo Martinelli’s projects, but in Radiorama did not sing long. The very Radiorama put an end to her career. At the end of 1986 Maiolini heard Clara Moroni at some live concert and laid a tight hold of her, offering a profitable contract with Time Records. Later, in the age of Eurobeat, Moroni became one of the leading figures at Time Records. There she tried to sing with Farina, and that was a great success: similar way of singing, similarly strong voices, a good combination of voices… In short, Farina for a couple of years all his duo songs (at that time almost every one was a duo) sang only with Moroni, including Radiorama during that period. At the SAIFAM official site there is nothing about that! Also, it is cried everywhere, that Radiorama’s producers were Farina & Crivellente, although the chief producer of the project was Paolo Gemma.
The 4th album by Radiorama, was surely to a great degree doomed, but Farina … almost did not participate in creating its music. It was done by evil Euro beaters, specialists in non-melodic beats: Accatino, Baldoni, Rosellini. It is not altogether clear, what Farina gave them Radiorama for. The fifth was slightly more melodic, but to a very small degree. About “the 2nd period and group”: Moroni continued singing something by herself and performed the back-vocal, but the principal vocalist became Antonella Ferri. Angelo Morales is a totally left (extraneous, having nothing to do with the project) lamer! Under the nickname of “Angelo Maria Morales” Farina wrote and sang a few songs, and thereafter it occurred to him to call by that name any dancer, who was seen on stage with Antonella, preserving the idea of a duette. Antonella Ferri sang and still sings not only for Radiorama. She is one of the studio vocalists at SAIFAM. If someone likes the last two albums of Radiorama (1998 and 2002), try, for example, to find the disk of the TH Express project. It features Ferri’s vocal, with its music style resembling Radiorama of the latest period, although the pretended vocalist is a stylish sex-appeal blond girl of a model kind. Unfortunately, I do not have the album yet. Vlad, 8 aug 2003 9:29
I do not agree with the statement, that the last albums by Radiorama feature Antonella Ferri. The girl’s name, who sings in Radiorama (and TH Express), is Manuela, as I remember. FM32YO, 8 aug 2003 9:29
If the subject is raised, so do questions rise. I have seen only two videos by Radiorama. Chance to desire, although it was titled as “Change to desire” (oddly enough), whether a clip of not… a man with rare hair on stage (definitely not M. Farina) and a girl in a white suit. Has anyone seen? Is she that very Zanini? And him, who is he? Aliens — the performers clearly NOT those, seen in the clip, mentioned. The acting takes place on the Moon among craters, rockets and robots as if the the Star Wars. So who is there? The funniest is that on the Desires & Vampires cover I have seen, IMHO, the vocalist there is the same person, as in the Aliens video, but the female vocalist is the one, who was in the Chance to … video, and on the SAIFAM photo there are totally different faces. In short, a total mess. Let’s recall “Laskovy Mai”, why was everyone irritated that they simultaneously performed in different cities? … It is the same case as with Radiorama… one set of people sang, another one showed up in video clips, yet the third set performed on stage. Nikolai, 8 aug 15:03
To Vovchik:
When I once ventured to say, that Paolo Gemma was Radiorama’s producer, you were the first who unquestionably tried to prove Farina was the only king there. Vovchik, 8 aug 2003 16:26
To Nikolai:
I have never questioned Paolo Gemma’s role as producer. And the thing that Farina in Radiorama is the main character is clear to the hedgehog [so clear that no proof is needed] . Farina has sung all the male vocal except those two above-mentioned songs, participated as a producer (in the 2nd period without any Gemma), since the 2nd album has been the author (together with Crivellente) of all music. So, now, who is the main figure there, in your opinion? Futher, when you affirmed: that is Martinelli’s project, Farina had nothing to do with it, I wrote you that Martinelli took part in the 1st album only. And how many ones were there? 7 already. Also you wrote that the female vocalist was Zanini. For how long? All your info comes from the back cover of the 1st album. And this is valid only for the 1st album. Later everything was quite another way. The situation changed from one album to another… To Vlad:
Vlad, what is that Manuella’s last name? SAIFAM numbers three or four studio vocalists, and they work in all their numerous projects: Wildside, Morgana, Jenny (the one, who “duettes” with Ken Laszlo), TH Express etc. Similarly, they change their pseudonyms for every project. Antonella – Manuella – Gabriella – Bertha-Maria-Bender-Bay… To FM32YO: no one in Radiorama’s video clips, on covers and posters (in the 80’s) was its true singers! I have those stupid two clips with those models, who are also on the covers of the respective singles. Farina, Zanini and Moroni are absent from both the clips and covers. Zanini’s photo was, as I remember, at the Euroflash site. She has a gypsy look, a skinny lady of an artistic circle type. In Marinelli’s clips and record covers there is no Zanini either, there is a “left” blond there. This was very common in Italo disco: a music project was equal to a studio vocal plus models for the stage and covers. Nikolai, 8 aug 2003 17:28
As to the 1st album, I then said that Farina authored a few titles. As to the statement I should read the info of the 1st album CD. I will tell you one thing: many vinyl singles and LP’s besides protecting covers had certain sheets (A4), blotters, called DJ info. Those who deal with vinyl know what it is. They contained more detailed information, than that on sleeves and CD covers. Who participated, where they came from, where they performed heretofore, the start of their careers, where they became known for the first time, real names, sometimes photos etc. So I am simply reading the info from the Japanese “Four Years After”, 1989 (and I had better keep silence on Gemma in the 2nd and 3d Radiorama albums). lead vocals: Antonella & Silvio: background vocals: Clara Moroni, Dave Rodgers, Antonella, Silvio keyboards: Giuliano Crivellente, guitars: Laurent G. ; drums: Mauro Farina (!!!) Instruments: Baldoni & Rosellini; sound: Walter Zambelli Produced (still the same!) PAOLO GEMMA for Discomagic. As you can see, Farina was entrusted only with drums (and more likely computer drums) here.
As an author, he is noted only in his onld songs: Flight of fantasy & Aliens remix 89.
So, and this is the truth about Radiorama for you. Vlad, 8 aug 2003 17:29
To Vovchik:
When Radiorama came to Moscow in 1997 to give a concert, Titiana Fracasso from SAIFAM asked me to leave a little account of that concert. I asked about the names of the Radiorama vocalists. The answer was Manuella and Umberto. Vovchik, 8 aug 2003 18:45
Are you Vlad Nedel’ski?
Then let me quote you: “… After the show Mauro and Simona (!) appeared on stage, where their fans were waiting for then, and, to my surprise, spent there about 20 minutes, talking with the admirers and giving away their autographs. That was a fantastic performance on the Moscow music stage!” (http://www.raid.ru/customers/oleg/radiorama.htm) Please, comment on who Maura and Simona were.
By the way, how do you like Titiana Fracasso? Certainly, a beautiful sinorina, but a rare damn wretch, as many people noted, who tried to contact her. Were you lucky to get along well? Vovchik, 8 aug 2003 19:01
Nikolay, what is up with you? I have the same CD, are you reading my postings carefully? I wrote Farina had almost taken no part in the 4th Radiorama. The authorship, except the two old songs, belonged to other persons. I enumerated them. Who is Accatino? one of the principal Eurobeaters! For example, do you know one stupid song BACIAMI? Written by C. Accatino, Falcus, Vangok. The same band plus Baldoni and Roellini, earlier mentioned by me, contributed to other songs. The main producer of the project in “the first period” was PAOLO GEMMA. Now there is already no Gemma in Radiorama, Farina has been the producer in the SAIFAM period. Eurohit, 8 aug 2003 19:24
1) Vovchik, I want to ask you as a person, who knows almost everything about Radiorama: what are the names of the models, who show up in those Radiorama’s two clips?
2) Flight of Fantasy – is a splendid piece by Rama, different from the rest of their material. THE SONG OF THE KING.
Farina good boy! Does Farina have any other ballads of this level? Vovchik, 8 aug 2003 19:39
To Eurohit:
1. God knows… Models are models, Radiorama has abounded in them!
2. Radiorama’s “A Love Song” is better than “Flight of Fantasy”. A simply smash-slow-hit. Anyway, Farina was not in a habit of writing ballads. They are not his style. Nikolay 8 aug 2003 19:52
For Vovchik: I replied to your posting about Gemma, timed 16:26.
“During the 2nd period without any Gemma”. I understood this as since the 2nd period and on he (Paolo Gemma) is absent. What do you mean by the SECOND period? And what does “Some Accatino” have to do with this?
After all, I do not really care about these Radiorama issues: who took away somebody’s lover or who cleaned somebody’s shoes.
And Hank Shostak, as far as I know (but not absolutely sure) was Spanish. At least, he was recorded at Blanco y Negro. Eurohit, 8 aug 2003 19:59
But those 4 models appeared not only in clips, but also on album covers (or single covers). Was not it interesting to learn about that? There is so much found about Mirazh and Laskovy Mai: who opened the mouth, who stood behind the curtain. And these are Soviet bands, and this is RAMA!
What album (single) does “A Love Song” come from, I would like do download it… By the way, Vovchik, I am really fond of ABCD (you are not, as far as I remember). What about Bad Girls? So melodic a style! Back in the 80’s I heard it in some mix. Vovchik, 8 aug 2003 20:42
To Nikolay: the 1st period – the 80’s, the 2nd – the 90’s up to the present. Strictly speaking, this is “not meant by me”, it is a conventional periodization. I would also single out the “middle period”, comprising those stupid 4th and 5th eurobeat albums. I would like, before public, to do more credit to Aldo Martinelli, whose words I like very much, to show Farina’s non-participation in the hated by everyone 4th album and remind that Clara Moroni had more to do with Radiorama than notorious Simona Zanini. To Eurohit: The mentioned by me song is right from the 4th album, and it is available at many places. And the models absolutely do not interest me. Farina & Co are very obscure people. I have been told it is impossible to “drag a word” from him, and he will not say anything on the models. Why do you need those models? Eurohit, 8 aug 2003 21:05
Vovchik, that is so natural: the clips had been shown on TV in the 80’s, and the audience (not in our country, the clips have just reached us) at that time was surely interested, wrote, called the studio – what are the guys names? And nobody told them anything? In German Disco I do not recollect that there were extraneous models in clips. Vovchik, 8 aug 2003 21:11. Eurohit, by the way, Flight of Fantasy is not Farina’s title. Martinelli – Zanini))))) Eurohit, 8 aug 21:15. And I did want to compliment Farina one more time. By the way, what couple appears in Martinelli’s clips? Also “left”? Eurohit, 8 aug 21:19 Nikolay said above, that is Farina’s song. Vovchik, 9 aug 2003 4:46
Hit, would you call TV and ask about the guys’ names? Who may need that I have no idea. You, who else?
No, Flight of Fantasy is not Farina’s. There is a compilation, The Best of Radiorama from ZYX, and everything is clearly stated therein , who authors every song. Honestly speaking, I remember no Farina’s slow titles, except A Love Song. Now there is something for Jessica Jay, but that is not disco, various crap. For cool disco slow hits – to Breitung (Silent Circle). Eurohit, 9 aug 2003 5:04
Did not Italy, Germany experienced a disco boom in the 80’s? Do you want to say nobody cared about that? Do not scare me, Vovchik.
When there was a boom of Modern Talking and Laskovy Mai in the Soviet Union, the people were interested in who they were, wrote to editors, TV, asked about them. Do not you remember that? Some woman from a channel for kids and youth begins: “Dear friends, we are receiving a lot of imcoming calls and letters asking to tell about the West-German due…”. And then she starts to speak about one artist, then another. Vovchik, 9 aug 2003 5:48
That is clear, although when speakers say this way: “At multiple requests”, most likely, there were no requests at all, the editor simply decided to insert something in the show and was “asked” to do that. Again, who needs to know the models’s names? Eurohit, 9 aug 2003 6:22
Everything is relative! The majority do not even care what plays – Farina-Marina – it is not important to them. The music is cool, and who sings does not really matter. But we here at the forum (and you in particular) dig deeply. Danik, 9 aug 2003 14:56
“Honestly speaking, I remember no Farina’s slow titles, except A Love Song. ” Vovchik, what period are you talking about? About “the middle”? Or the 1st? I hope you remember the 3 slow songs from the 1st albums (Friend, Woman, All your love). All hearty, and, as I know, Farina’s… Eurohit, 9 aug 2003 15:53
Yes, Leonid from New York praised “Woman” for some reason. Even ordered it at the wedding party.
"I will never forget dancing to Radiorama's "Woman" with my bride. I almost never cry but the music was so loud and the moment was so right for the lyrics that I felt my eyes got a bit wet. I hope we made our best out of this dance. It's not easy to dance to it because rhythm structure changes all the time." Vlad, 9 aug 2003 17:37
To Vovchik: I wrote my impressions of the Radiorama concert for SAIFAM in English. There was no single word about Mauro and Simona in it. Oleg from raid.ru himself translated my text and replaced artists’ names. I pointed at this inaccuracy, but he did not pay attention to my words. Eurohit, 9 aug 2003 18:33
Now I have 4 ballads by Radiorama:
Radiorama - A Love Song
Radiorama - All Your Love
Radiorama - Friend
Radiorama – Woman
Good music, but does not resemble disco. There is some some similarity with Glen Medeiros, Rocksette, Beatles and Led Zeppelin.
Radiorama - A Love Song [1989] (Medeiros’s tunes Nothing's Gonna Change My Love For You)
Radiorama - All Your Love [1988] - (Rocksette’s guitar rhythm in the refrain)
Radiorama - Friend [1986] (taken from McCartney)
Radiorama - Woman [1987] (taken from Led Zeppelin - Stairway To Heaven) Farina is not a fool, borrows experience of the other. A great producer or a great plagiarist?
It is strange, that such a “productive” producer does not have usual disco ballads. What is he then productive by? Italo disco is famous for its ballads. Vovchik, 10 aug 2003 4:52. Is Italo disco famous for its ballads?
I am sorry, Hit, but… O’Henry wrote a phrase in one story: “When words flew from him and hit the atmosphere, sometimes there was sense, sometimes not…” ) What ballads? The ballads are “The Scorps”, Frank Duval, Garry Moore … Italo disco probably is the most “non-ballad” style. I personally skipped all MT’s slow songs and was very glad, that BBB and Fancy did have any damn slow songs. I forgave the abundance of ballads only to Silent Circle, so beautiful they are. And will you recall many slow songs in the Best of Italo Disco compilations? Crap, Hit! Slow songs in Italo-Euro disco have a tiny place. Eurohit, 10 aug 2003 6:10
And what is Italodisco famous for? I posted a message at Iventi (a year ago or even earlier) titled Your favorite disco-ballads. About 20 people replied with their lists of the best ballads. And there were almost Italo projects listed (at Iventi visitors stay away from Eurodisco). Later this subject was again brought forward at Iventi. And it did not occur to anyone to protest: “Comrades, are you totally nuts? There are no ballads in Italo, no (or almost no)!” It is a pity that you did not post there, did not teach or explain… As to Garry Moore and the Scorps… What are they doing here? We are talking about pop music, pop ballads, not about metal slow songs. For me The Best of Italo Disco does not speak for itself. I almost never like somebody’s compilations, gathered on the basis of God knows what. Anyone can make a compilation according to his tastes, but they are different. As to the most non-ballad style… First I would place Death Metal, and you Italodisco. No comments. Vovchik, 10 aug 2003 16:22
Hit, do not feel offended, if I sound somewhat rude! Try to weigh the correlation of the slow and fast songs in Italo disco. It is scarcely 1:100! Eurohit, 10 aug 2003 18:22
1) Vovchik, you are often very subjective. If you judge about the number of ballads by Farina, for me, as for any Italo (not Farina’s) fan is not a criterion. Farina, as it is often written at sites, - is the KING, and, therefore, stands somewhat apart. He may truly have very few ballads. Vovchik, realize, Farina is only a particle of what is called Italo disco. But you have raised him into a standard and judge about everything in the light of Farina. Let us temporarily put him off and see what other producers have created. What is ballad? Ballad is not necessarily a low beat per minute, like Savage. By the way, does not Savage have ballads? Or is it a small project of an unknown producer? Ballard is above all a lyrical vocal performance and a romantic arrangement. For example, Rose - I Wanna Be Your Love is a fast beat song, but if I classify it as a ballad, nobody, say, at Iventi, will argue. A very calm, tender vocal and melody. You will say: aha, the beat is fast! But ballad is not everything of a slow beat, and not everything of 120 – 130 beats per minute is not a ballad. The most important thing is stuffing (voice) and décor (arrangement). Italo features many songs of a slower beat, but they do not belong to ballads, because they have a stiff singing rhythm, or a harsh beat, arrangement. OK, here are the examples of ballads:
Dee_D._Jackson_-_My_Sweet_Carillon_[85]
Domina - You Got My Soul [85]
Ghery_M._&_Ocean_D._-_Love's_Emotions_[84]
Gazebo - I Like Chopin
Helicon_-_You...See_[83]
Hemyl_-_Keep_On_Rocking_[86]
Rose - Magic Carillion
Savoir_Faire_-_Talking_To_The_Stars_[83]
Scotch_-_Caribbean_Lady
Stravaganza_-_Hold_Me_On_Your_Heart
Ventura_-_Another_Time_[86]
Kiki_Gaida_-_Virginal_Mystery_[87]
Diux_-_Comet_[86]
Cora_-_Amsterdam_(maxi)
Cora_-_In_the_name_of_love_(extended)
Lisa_G._-_Call_My_Name
Sue_Sadlow_-_I_Will_Find_My_Way_[86]
Dave Force - Play Your Game (extended)
Witch_Elizabeth_-_My_Destiny
B.B. Bonsai - Prince Of The Night (Maxi)
Phaeax - I Am Still Waiting
Silver_Pozzoli_-_03_-_Love_Is_Alive
Italian_Boys-Midnight_Girl
Italian_Boys-Forever_Lovers
Grecos - Lonely People
Clock on 5 - Take It
Deborah Kinley - Surprise
F.R. David - Words
Raggio di Luna - Comanchero
Savage ...
Any others…? According to Vovchik, there are less than 1% ballads in Italo disco, but in my opinion – minimum 20-25%. Nikolay, 10 aug 20:33 Vovchik, do you know that all the ballads performed by Silent Circle had not been written by Axel B.? Nikolay, 10 aug 20:51 Vovchik!!!! “Flight of Fantasy” was written by Farina-Crivellente. Martinelli authored only one title in the 1st album, “Chance to Desire”. If you maintain that you personally heard from Martinelli that was his song, then I would consider the official Ariola (a weighty firm) information on CD and LP to be INCORRECT. For Eurohit: a good opinion on ballads! I will not agree to every point (that is a matter of taste), but what pleases me is that there are “thinking” music lovers, defending their viewpoint! Vovchik, 10 aug 2003 21:07 Eurohit, the things you consider ballads are not ballads in my opinion. I think ballads = slow songs, and in your list it is impossible to figure out what your criteria of “balladness” are. Are Italian Boys ballads? Comanchero?! Rose?! Then I have nothing else to say! In my opinion, ballads are the slow songs by Silent Circle, Modern Talking, Baltimora, Saphir… I do not consider the songs, mentioned by you, ballads, so here we will not get along. So, consider this as we have not understood each other. To Nikolay: what if different original sources from different firms mention different authors? Who has The Best of Radiorama from ZYX? Danik, do you have it? What does it say about the authorship of the songs, that were taken from the 1st album, please, tell us. We will talk after the answer (or not). Then I will explain what it is this was and not another. Danik, 10 aug 2003 23:08
In the compilation, released in 98 at ZYX, every title from the 1st album is authored by Zanini/Martinelli.
But, as Nikolay said, in the Ariola 1 album CD the authorship belongs to Farina/Crivellente (except Wacha Gonna Do and Chance to Desire).
Honestly speaking, I scarcely believe the accuracy of ZYX products, especially in case with differences with those of other firms. If they even make mistakes in track lists, then it is much easier for them to make a mistake in authorship. Nikolay, 11 aug 2003 0:03
It did not occur to me that you would look into the ZYX compilation. I have the Best edition (the Best of Radiorama, Spectrum 517 795-2, a Lambardoni compilation). Everything matches the information, provided by Ariola (which distributed it in 1986). Also, the same info on the Japanese edition of the 4th album (Canyon International D22Y0322). Do you have it, Vovchik? ZYX has been lying for so long as I have known them (25 years)… Danik, 11 aug 2003 0:29
Nikolay, if we talk about this Ariola CD (Express/Gold-Serie), I have a question: it is imprint is (p) 1987 Disco Magic, (c) 1988 BMG Ariola. It turns out that the CD was released a year after the release date of the album. Or is there another Ariola release, dated 1986, which you mentioned. I have not seen it… Vovchik, 11 aug 2003 1:22
Earlier I also held an opinion that the 1st album, except one song, had been made by Farina-Crivellente, but as I got better acquainted with Martinelli’s words and later read the data on the ZYX Best, I formed an opinion that the album content belonged to Martinelli. Just take and listen to the material, written by Farina in 1985 – 1986. In no way does it sound similar to Radiorama!!! And now listen to Martinelli, his works of 1985 – 1986. The same Radiorama 86!!! And in this case I am inclined to believe the information from ZYX. Now it is known that, although there existed inner authorship contracts, but the project was given over to Farina… By 1987 Martinelly had exhausted himself, in a great deal suddenly, in the midst of the popularity of disco. By the way, why did not Martinelli sing that 1st Radiorama single and give it over to Shostak? Martinelly had always sung everything, written by him for a male vocal, himself!! And with Simona Zanini. Zanini remained, but Martinelli? Something is messed up there. Farina threw his name wherever he could. Besides, Farina clearly adopted that style, and the 2nd Radiorama was made by him along the pattern of the 1st Radiorama. Yet, again, the 2nd one differs much from the 1st by better hits and easier sound. The 1st was to clearly “heavy”, and this kind of music had always been produced by Martinelli. Nikolay, 11 aug 2003 1:50
Danik, Radiorama (on vinyl) appeared (at least in USSR) in autumn 1986. It was recorded at Disco Magic and printed by Ariola. I speak about this with all authority, as I was a witness of those events. I remember that was a block buster (just two weeks right after the release of Bananarama’s Venus). The record was accepted by everyone even metallists. The CD at Ariola (Gold-Serie 297 078-200) was released in 1996!!! There is no old released. It is an enigma, why they dated the CD 1987. And why they put “Aliens” from the 2nd album, I think because … They knew beforehand they would not re-release the 2nd Rama. B*tches! (because the 2nd was issued on CD in those years, and the CD still costs ….) Danik, 11 aug 2003 4:29
I myself know about the start of Radiorama in USSR, but could not have supposed it was 1996. Vovchik, 11 aug 2003 5:03
Yes, Leo told us about that Ariola CD, that it had been printed late, later than the 1st and 2nd, and that is why there were a lot of those CD’s. I bought it here in Donetsk a few years ago at a knock-down price. And wondered what Aliens had to do with it. Now everything is clear. Leo, 12 aug 2003 10:56
First time I bought an Ariola “Desires and Vampires” (Gold-Serie) in Germany at the Karstadt store in august 1995. A bunch of new Radioramas was in a box “Sonderangebot” (special offer) at the price of 10 DM per piece. As far as I know, CD’s go on sale in 3 – 4 years after release. So, the release date of the Ariola Radiorama is at least 90 – 91, and it may be even earlier. And originally the Radiorama “Desires and Vampires” CD was released at Beat Box in the 80’s. Olga, 15 aug 2003 5:40
I have not read through the topic yet, but somewhere in the middle of the discussion I encountered the date of the Radiorama concert in Moscow. Pardon me, when did they have a chance to come here during 1997? If the show at the Gorky Park (“Disco stars”) is meant, then that was on 12 July, 1998. And there was a concert at Metelitsa on the same date. Olga, 15 aug 2003 5:51. Sorry, I meant June. on the Russian day of either independence or constitution or some other. Vlad, 15 aug 2003 7:30
Sorry. That really was 1998. Thank Olga for the more precise information. Nikolay, 15 aug 2003 11:44
Leo, I do not think the Ariola CD was released in 1990 – 1991. In those “developing” years there were already many people, who went abroad and brought music wholesale. Both Baltik and citizens of Moscow and Petersburg were already engaged in bringing techno-dance, but at the same time did not forget about the old music. Brought re-released sets of Lime, Twins, Boney M. etc. I did myself. And you too. Radiorama (Ariola) appeared at Gorbushka in 1996 (1995 earliest). Scarcely could “shuttles” not notice it on the shelves for 5 years. Vovchik, 15 aug 2003 15:47
To Olga and Vlad: I wonder to what extent of reality there was exultation for Radiorama. And what kind of audience was there: the new generation or the 80-ers? Olga, if the concert was met with success, subsequent Rama tours in CIS are not undertaken due to …? Olga, 15 aug 2003 18:42
As to tours I can only say that there is no DEMAND. Vovchik, 16 aug 2003 0:43
That is what I was afraid of. There is no Demand. It is really a pitty. Eurohit, 16 aug 2003 1:54
Strange…
Vovchik, write an article on the absence of demand for Radiorama in the former Soviet Union. It is of course possible to ascribe everything to the absence of taste in the population. But BBB, Baccara and CC are ordered. Are there really no tastes? Vovchik, 16 aug 2003 4:17
Very funny, Hit! :)
I even thought this was, taking a breath: “Yeehh, the people has no taste! If they had they would want Radiorama, Scotch, Ken Laszlo, Ventura…” It is interesting that they are invited to Western Italo parties, not BBB or CCC. Danik, I experienced a sclerosis attack when forgot about the slow songs from the 4th and 5th Radiorama albums written by Farina! I even got subsequently scared! Another thing. It seems to me that the female vocal part in Radiorama is not limited to 3 singers. Antonella’s name was first mentioned in the 3d album, and the same voice was present in the 4th and 5th album, but at present it is to a great degree possible that they have a new singer, maybe some Manuella. She has a stronger voice. And Farina, cunning fellow, chose female singers with similar voices, that ABCD were brought from one album to another and to various compilations, so everything is pretty much perplexed. Eurohit, 16 aug 2003 5:01
Vovchik, although the Soviets also sprang to the Italo, but for some reason want Germans better. What do not they want Italo artists? Is this explained by the fact that Euro (German) disco was more popular than Italo? Based upon my personal experience, that was so. I asked people of the same age what they were fond of in the 80’s, nobody mentioned Italo at any time. The usual answers were MT, BBB, CCC. Olga
16 авг 2003 21:12 2 Vovchik: “It is interesting that they are invited to Western Italo parties, not BBB or CCC.”
Pardon, and how many parties are held a year? Three? Four? Do the artists receive money for their participation at those parties? Or pay themselves for a plain and hotel, because they a) are friends of Iventi and b) are wanted nowhere else to perform, but are eager to get some energy from the audience? And how many concerts a year do Bad Boys Blue, C.C.Catch, Baccara give? At least, 10 – 15 times more. And besides, I have not heard those artist perform for free… Vovchik, 17 aug 2003 2:31
Yes, yes, that is clear. Still, let us admit that, even if Ventura was not famous in our country, yet Radiorama … was definitely known by everyone! I very well remember it to sell like hot cakes at recording studios, and every new album was written in block letters there of a big size, was met by hooray whoops, and, as Nikolay said, even metallists listened to it — that was a real fact. The market is glutted with different Radiorama compilation with “Ye ti” at its head, and this means that there is a DEMAND. Recently some of the Russians sang it in Russian. So, the situation about the absence of demand for so legendary a project does not seem clear to me personally. I wonder who in general “asks” and “orders” stars? Concert agencies, filled with those who remember only MT, BBB, CCC or those “Yes, sir, I can boogie”…? Referendums with the subject of who the public wish to see are not held with the people. I was interested in to what degree the success was real at the Radiorama 98 concert? Was not anything seen and heard behind the curtain? And who did the tickets sell out? Admit, that many people came to see Alphaville, and what if to judge by the level of the audience roar?... Vlad, 17 aug 2003 3:35
And there was no roar of the mob when Radiorama performed. Many people even did not know what that group was. I was both before and beside the stage. And when they came on stage to the people and began giving away their autographs on fliers (at that very moment I was making a video of them), then many spectators, who had a chance to obtain those fliers, asked me: “Who are they and what are we to do with the fliers?” The audience was really obsessed by the guys from Alphaville. I have formed my own opinion of the demand for concerts in Russia. I am sure that concerts are for the most part organized to promote newly released albums of groups. Has Radiorama had many albums over the past recent times? There is nothing to promote. I think that the concert market in Russia is very narrow. And it is narrow because our people are not rich in their mass. Are many out of those who are present here ready to give away 70 – 100 dollars for a concert ticket? The same situation dominates the market of music products. Are there many music stores in Moscow that sell original CD’s? And are there many people at Gorbushka who sell those original CD’s? That is why many companies started printing “simplified” (in the direct and indirect sense) albums. Frankly speaking, it is not pleasant to take them with hands. They either lack a booklet or some song is missing. And, f…ck, boxes are made of some recycled material. All this is very sad. Eurohit, 17 aug 2003 4:17
Maybe the matter is the face of the group? When there is talk about MT, BBB, CCC or Baccara, people imagine what artists they are. Some participators changed in BBB, Ottawan or Boney M., but somebody of the main part always stays. People go to concerts to breathe the air of nostalgia, recall the good old times. The projects of the 70’s are remembered by the New Year’s Day “Stars of the Foreign Stage”. MT was on TV. BBB and CCC – their photos were distributed via recording studios (sometimes they were stuck to reel boxes) and street kiosks, selling photos of different Schwarzes and van Damms. And what is Radiorama I even do not know. Who they are, how they look. That really was a purely studio project, wherein different session people took part. Who are those Antonellas, Manuellas, Titianas? Music lovers have nothing to recollect. OK, somebody will recall the tunes, but what are those people on stage? There are a few clips, but even Vovchik does not have any idea what those persons are! Today there is one staff, and in a year there is another one. Radiorama is an invisible project.
Here in Israel, a country dreadfully far from disco, Bohlen’s CD’s (both new and old) are freely sold at Tower Records and other stores. Radiorama is not seen. And that is even notwithstanding the fact that the Bohlen boom came here in 1985 and subsided in 1987. What MT is the aborigines know not. But CD’s are still coming. Vovchik, 17 aug 2003 5:23
As for concerts… In my opinion, it is economically profitable to bring former stars into former Soviet countries: not only did the lovers of that music survive, but, in principle, have acquired some money, and, above all, the “former” are working for small honoraries, I presume. This may be concluded from some mentioned facts about the BBB honoraries with some Far East club (some several thousand bucks!)… Taken with short abbreviations from message 16043
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